3rd meeting 2nd year of the THEIERE project - 7th April 2002

  1. Financial information by the coordinator

  3. Revision of activities of the coordinator and interaction with the Commission

  5. Presentation on Task 1 by J:M. Thiriet

Model on implementation of 3-5-8, common to all partners

Definition of minimum engineer has to know

New pedagogy

Evaluation methods

What means EIE in several countries?

Number of students, kind of curriculum (weight of EIE in Europe).

Idea of contents

Remarks by Tony Ward that Careerspace has already done some work on model curriculum.

Task 1: 3-5-8 Evolutions

BG- Bulgaria- presented by Silvia Stefanova-

Data taken from a book from the Ministry of Education, March 1997

Courses defended by the government

EIE includes: Electrical Eng, Power Eng , Computers, Communications, Electronics

List of Diplomas – in all engineering sciences 3 years after univ- the title of specialists is given

Bachelor degree: obtained after 4 yearsof study - diploma or Government exam

Masters degree - 5 years or 3 semesters after Bachelor degree

DE- Germany- Otto Rösch will send this information later.

EE- Estonia - presented by Raimund Ubar-

1500 000 people, 52 Universities 8many are private universities)

Tallin Tech Univ.- electronics, Power

Tartu Univ. computer sciences and Control

Tallin Ped Univ- Computer Science

Number of students- 9000 students, Informatics 24%, Power Eng 10%

Doctoral degree 4 years

Bach-3 years

Master 2 years

Bachelor 7330 students

1/3 of the students are paying

ES- Spain- presented by Angel Garcia

Admission- done by institutions

EIE includes- Telecommunications, computer science. Electromechanics and Automation and Electronics

Present Situation: 3-5-7 (Ingeniero Técnico.- Ingeniero- Doctor Ingeniero)

Ministry of Education website- All information available

Pedagogical Content- Defined by specialists: representatives from regions, rectors, known specialists

FI-Finland- presented by Antti Luukko

5 years+ 3 years (doctoral degree) or (licensia- specialists)+2 years

Polytechnics (4 years)- 180 credits

5 univ. Helsinki, Tampere, Lappeenranta, Oulu, Abo (Swedish speaking)

3-5-8 Implementation- Working group by the ministry of Education

Deadline 1 August 2004

New proposal. 3 years, 120 credits (1 Finish credit=1.5 ECTS)

5 years- 180 credits

No attitude to doctoral degree

Polytechnics4 year degree

New 3 year degree

FR- France- presented by Jean-Marc Thiriet

2 years after High-school- Technician degree

classical university

Engineering school- 2+ 3

IE- Ireland- presented by Cyril Burkley

4 years de gree, accredited by the IEI Institute of Engineers in Ireland

No boundaries in EIE

No boundaries between degrees

12 Institutes of Technology

List of accredited programs

Masters 2 years more

3 years more- Doctoral degree

Curricula is decided by the university

Guidelines are provided by the IEI

Problems with 3-5-8 implementation are expected.

IT- Italy- presented by Christian Perra

3 (Diploma de laurea) 5 ( laurea) 8 (doctorado di ricercca) compulsary

MEIE- Multimedia, Computers, electrical engineering, Electronics, etc…

Files from Christian at the THEIERE website

Latvia and Lithuanian partners were absent- information is requested.

NO- Norway- presented by Saba Mylvaganam

EIE is restricted

Medical Technology- new course in Trondheim

Mechatronics is important

Electrical and Measurement Eng.

2 years degree (university colleges)

3 years (Bachelor of sciences)

5 years course (Konscient)

doktoring (60 ECTS))+ Phd

3-5-8 starts this year- 2003 already

There are 5 univ, 25 univ. colleges

Market sector- Distant learning courses

Competitiveness with traditional teaching

Evaluation is changed: Exams are given and students have two days to deliver results.

PL-Poland- presented by Zbigniew Mrozek

Minimum program demand: Maths, Physics, Chemistry are pre-requisites,

ECTS credits applied

5-8 model is the existing educational scheme

private schools 3+5 years program

PT- Portugal- presented by Jorge Esteves

EIE includes several specialities: Computers, Electronics, telecommunications, PowerSystems, Control

ECTS credits are applied

Existing systems: 5+2+5 (Licenciado, Mestre, Doutor)

3+2 (bacharel licenciado)

Title of "Engenheiro" is given by the professional engineering Association "Ordem dos Engenheiros"

Concerning3-5-8 evolution there is internal debate in IST

UK- United Kingdom- presented by Tony Ward

Existing degrees: Bachelor, Master eng/sci

Minimum 6-9 total cycle

ECTS are applicable